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leader for peacock bass?

3.3K views 23 replies 11 participants last post by  ibefisherman  
#1 ·
Hey All,

Plan on going in November(on the alley) this year and was wondering what leader people are generally using for peacock"s?

I will be using a 5Wt floating line, was thinking 20/15/10? and then whatever bite tippet i decide on.

Yes, i will also be doing a search on here for previous threats also.

Also what flies should be tied and tried. First to my mind is a popper,gurgler,
schminnow and deceiver in bright colors.

Went once with a guide awhile ago but have forgotten what was used.

Thanks gentleman for your thoughts.
 
#3 ·
Come on, Capt! Everyone knows that Clousers are cheating! Hah! Hope to get out with you one day. Seems like I've been away from Biscayne Bay forever.

For peacock bass and general prospecting around So. FL, I often use my standard snook leader with #16 fluorocarbon, minus the bite tippet. As everyone knows, they aren't particularly picky, but best color combo for me over the past few years has been white tail and yellow head. I'll try to dig up a pic.

JD

I've posted some various peacock flies on my IG. Happy to send you a batch of "ditch muddlers" if you care to DM your address. I tie every night and have a bundle I'll never get through ;)

j_j_d_iii
 
#5 ·
Come on, Capt! Everyone knows that Clousers are cheating! Hah! Hope to get out with you one day. Seems like I've been away from Biscayne Bay forever.

For peacock bass and general prospecting around So. FL, I often use my standard snook leader with #16 fluorocarbon, minus the bite tippet. As everyone knows, they aren't particularly picky, but best color combo for me over the past few years has been white tail and yellow head. I'll try to dig up a pic.

JD

I've posted some various peacock flies on my IG. Happy to send you a batch of "ditch muddlers" if you care to DM your address. I tie every night and have a bundle I'll never get through ;)

j_j_d_iii
Thanks for the offer and information, DM sent
 
#6 ·
I've started guiding for peacocks near my home a year or two ago to augment my usual salt and brackish trips (western Broward area mostly away from the urban areas where there's every kind of exotic to go along with the peacocks..). From the first, all I've ever used in the way of a fly leader is a standard backcountry "poor boy" leader. All of my fly lines (in this case, mostly 7-9wts with an occasional 5wt if appropriate, have permanent monofilament butt sections spliced directly to the fly line, ending in a surgeon's loop (hard to beat Ande Premium mono for fly leader making, then Ande Fluorocarbon leader - a very good buy... )... To that we attach a simple section of 20lb fluorocarbon leader, loop to loop - between three and five feet long (the "poor boy" part). It's worked very well and can't remember any refusals if we make a proper presentation.

So far we've been using a mix of different patterns - the same patterns we use for small snook, trout, reds, and/or baby tarpon.. all in bright colors with hook sizes specifically tailored to the size fly rod in use (smaller hooks for lighter rods all the way up to an occasional 2/0 hook for the 9wt)... If I had to stick with just one pattern it would be some kind of clouser in various sizes... If we can find the peas - they've never been fussy about eating... Here's a pic of some of the bugs we're using - when we're not tossing clousers...

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Hope this helps
 
#9 ·
I must be living right... the clousers we toss seem to work for a half dozen bites - and are still getting action when half the wing is gone... All of mine come with a wire weedguard that lasts for a few fish - but even once the weedguard is long gone they still produce (if you can keep from snagging them on this or that... Here's one of several different "clousers" we use - some of them in outrageous colors... in sizes ranging from 1/0 (shown) down to a #2..
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#12 ·
I must be living right... the clousers we toss seem to work for a half dozen bites - and are still getting action when half the wing is gone... All of mine come with a wire weedguard that lasts for a few fish - but even once the weedguard is long gone they still produce (if you can keep from snagging them on this or that... Here's one of several different "clousers" we use - some of them in outrageous colors... in sizes ranging from 1/0 (shown) down to a #2..
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That’s not a clouser, nice tie though, it’s more of a bend back tie with a straight shank.
 
#14 · (Edited)
A bit of history.... Many years ago when Bob Clouser came up with his famous pattern for smallmouth bass - most that tied one or used it learned that it would work worldwide on such a big variety of fish that it became an instant classic... In the world of new patterns though (particularly "royalty patterns" where a specific tyer gets his name attached - and will draw royalties from a company generating that pattern for shops everywhere... forever as long as it sells) you're not on the board without a good magazine article to spread the word. That first article about that pattern that I read was by Lefty Kreh (yeah, that guy...) so long ago that most have never seen or read it... As an up and coming commercial tyer in the early 80's you can bet I read it start to finish several times... and began filling orders for variations (my own of course) - as well as others for shops whenever they wanted them.

In that first article Lefty wrote that that "damned fly" caught every species he used it for - and also mentioned that unlike the original pattern - he preferred the "clouser" tied up with the wing on just the point side of the hook -and that's how I've been tying them, mostly, for years and years...

You'll find lots of differences of opinion (being polite here...) about classic patterns and whether or not you should stick to the original pattern, give credit to the developer, etc. Here's how I've dealt with that over the years. If I'm doing an exact copy of someone else's pattern - I'll mention their name along with the exact name of the pattern. If I'm doing a variation of it I'll note that it's "my version of so and so's pattern". If, as has happened with both the clouser (note the little "c") or the gurgler it's become so common that it's more of a tying style than a particular pattern - that's how I'll refer to it - thus the entry above.

To give you a better idea of how the clouser has evolved over many years - here's a pic or two of ones that sold very well in every fly shop I ever tied for - and none of them were tied the way the original was...
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My own "bonefish clouser" on a #4 hook... did this in various colors for nearly every shop I ever tied for - as small as a #6 up to a #2... Note the outrigger style weedguard - something I came up with almost from the first for fishing in grass covered areas - very effective.
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two dozen ready to ship, half on #4's the right side #6's -note the size differences in wing and eyes....
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The Whitewater clouser, size 2/0 - note the wire weedguard - a great bug for pounding mangrove jungle shorelines as well as any kind of structure in the backcounry - once again - not exactly your typical clouser... Scaled down versions of this pattern are what we've been using in freshwater canals for peacocks and other exotics - in a great variety of colors..
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the "Peacock clouser" - this is one of the very few times I've come closer to Bob Clouser's original pattern - I filled orders for the Ft Lauderdale Fly shop for some years - this was their pattern - not mine..
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a variation on the last pattern - this one with a synthetic wing- once again a shop pattern - not mine, but fairly popular so I filled orders for both versions
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a few night time clousers, size 1/0, once again tied up the way Lefty preferred - the wings on this simple pattern? polar bear of course...

I haven't tied flies commercially now in a few years but for quite a while it was my go to every night and weekend - whenever an angler, guide, or shop placed an order. If I ever am forced to give up guiding I'll come back to tying (if I'm still able...).

Hope this helps all the folks that tie their own flies - nothing like catching a fish with a fly you're tied yourself...
 
#15 ·
Excellent post Bob. I’d like to add…I tie the eyes with lead eyes or bead chain eyes…or plastic bead eyes…depending on where in the water column I’m prospecting.
 
#16 ·
Beautiful flies. Just love the ability to tweak flies. It is one of my favorite parts about fly fishing… making flies and then varying them to see if you can perfect em.

To the OP, I also use no special leader. I prefer twisted leaders and use 10 pound ande on 5&6 wt. On 8 wt I use 15 ande.

Let us know how your peacock fishing goes.
 
#19 ·
Okay all, just to give you all an update since you were all kind enough to help me. My buddy and I got up early today (5am) and made the trip down to the alley(I-75) from Sebastian, Fl. we arrived at the ramp at just about 8 am and motored to our first area(launched from mm 35 area). I started of course with a fly rod and a yellow/white muddler (thanks JD), my buddy started with spinning gear and a yozuri 3d i think. Nothing much happened at first and then my buddy got whacked by a small peacock at about 815. Decided to make a run down just short of a bridge area, stopped and then the area came alive with hit after hit, on fly and spinning gear. To make a long story short we managed between fly and spin gear to land 65 peacock's( largest for the day was just over 2 lbs) from about 815 am - 130 pm., and a couple LM bass and a couple exotics to add to the day. It was a great day for sure, THANKS again for everyone's input.
Rich
 
#22 ·
It's a very simple, ugly muddler. With practice about a 5-10 minute exercise. Short shank hook (here #2 Gamakatsu SL12); marabou tail (I have a short core of calf tail underneath to help with fouling, but it's usually not needed); 4 strands opal flashabou; 3 wraps of yellow palmer chenille to within 1/4" or less of eye; single clump spun deerhair head. Trimmed "fat". Round, cigar shaped heads seem to give the best action for me. But others like wedge shape. Don't worry about crowding the hook gap, because the fish crush it. Where I live, this color combo stands out.

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