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Fishing Gear Insurance Coverage?

1.4K views 13 replies 6 participants last post by  crazybeard  
#1 ·
I'm not very active on this forum, but have been a lurker for quite some time. I posted this on THT as well, for those of you who know it. I'm just trying to get a feel on this before I decide whether I want to pursue it, but it seems like a pretty good deal.

So to be clear: I am not selling anything - just asking options about a hypothetical.

Here goes:

I've recently come across an opportunity that I think might be really beneficial specifically for fishing for gear (and some boating gear like expensive coolers or other not-attached items) protection and thought I'd ask to see what others thought to vet the idea.

Basics:
Works similar to a cell phone protection plan but covers a lot more stuff - nearly everything in your life. Coverage for loss via theft, accidental damage, vandalism, natural disasters, fire, etc.

Coverage in a nutshell:
Any/all gear that is not part of the exclusions. Exclusions are things like any motorized vehicle, (that includes drones) or anything attached to a vehicle including boat, so like outriggers, GPS that isn't handheld, medical devices, and some other items like jewelry and collectibles. If it's a separate stand-alone item not part of the exclusionary list which is pretty small, then it would be covered.

Additionally - and this is the cool part:
It covers ANY AND ALL other types of item you own under the same policy. So for example cameras, laptop, cell phone, bikes, other sporting goods, your TV, A/V Gear if you're a performer, whatever, provided it is not in the exclusions list.

Why I feel this is a good product:
Homeowners/renters/auto/boat policies cover much of this stuff for theft & disaster. Generally accidental damage is not covered. Further, the deductibles are often high. Someone steals a couple fishing rods, some gear and a cooler, often your deductible is too high to make it worth filing a claim. Then there's the whole worry about filing a claim with the potential to increase your premiums. Basically this would be something to bridge the gap for when your Yeti cooler, a gear bag or a couple rods get stolen or busted.

Broad-stroke details:
Keep in mind this isn't 100% finalized and the scenarios are hypothetical.
  • $20/mo for $2000/per claim (not per year) limit.
  • Upgrade tiers for up to $10k/claim which would be around $60/mo at the top end.
  • Includes lightning power-surge damage. This is potentially big for those of us in lightning areas.
  • Coverage extends during travel. Boating to the Bahamas = covered. Flying to Belize to fish = covered. Family vacation in Europe = covered.
  • Some limits, such as you can't have more than 2 cell phones on the same plan. This is focused on an individual. However, another family member could have their own plan with additional coverage for their items.
  • Includes used/older items. Ie, it covers things you already own including used items you purchased if purchase was documented.
$100/per claim (not per item) deductible. So 1 theft is 1 deductible, the next issue, say a broken fly rod or a dropped cell phone/laptop/ipad is again $100 deductible and so on.
If repairable, that would likely be required. Ie, cracked cell phone screen = repair, not brand new phone. Drive over it with your car and unrepairable = replacement value minus deductible.

So my question is, do you think this would be of interest - aka would you buy a policy like this?
 
#3 ·
Seems expensive with the $100 per claim deductible proposal. Yes, some items are very expensive like a salt water fly rod/reel combo. But I would rather pay out-of-pocket replacement costs for one instead of $100, plus monthly premium.

Insurance is legalized gambling. I take care of my stuff (including protection) and I have a tackle rider on my boat policy. So I wouldn't be a likely client.

Good luck with the venture if you decide it is profitable. There are a lot of insurance agents who love to fish. ;)
 
#4 ·
Thanks for the reply. I honestly feel about the same in general.

However, I do pay for a cell phone plan like this because I've dropped it, and a $2500 laptop that didn't have the coverage. I've also done stupid stuff like bend rods under a low bridge and had stuff stolen from my vehicles. Those all stung pretty good. So for basically what I am paying for 2 cell phones already, this would provide coverage to a number of other items as well.
 
#5 ·
What you are trying to do is to create an insurance industry where one does not already exist.

Think for a moment: with the thousands of actuaries out there working for the insurance industry do you think they would have created this industry already if it were profitable?

What you are trying to do is ripe with fraud.
I have a $1,200 Asquith fly rod that I bought 5 years ago that I have used the hell out of. I tell you I broke it and pay my $100 buck deductible. Now you have to go find me a new one. But it is no longer made but you are still obligated to replace it with new. Or how do you find a used one that has been beat to hell the same as the one I told you is broke? What are you going to do with the claimed item?

Or I tell you it was stolen and I put the new one up for sale on eBay and sell it while using the original.

This could become quite profitable for some not so honest people.
 
#7 ·
The industry does exist, but it doesn't extend to certain items. This is, in essence, an expansion of it.

Yes, some people will commit fraud along with other losses but that is all factored in to the premiums - basically how you are already billed for the insurance you pay for. I expect that there would be some requirements such as previous evidence of purchase and a police report in the case of theft.

I'd have to ask the underwriter specifically about something that no longer exists - my random guess right now would be purchase price vs depreciation or some $ number based on collectible value, since collectibles are excluded.

The feedback is very valuable - I appreciate it. There are definitely questions and scenarios I haven't thought of that I would want to run past underwriting.
 
#6 ·
I’m with @Zika on this one. I think we spend too much $ worrying about breaking something these days. I’m “self insured” on most everything I can be. If I insured it all I would never be able to use it.
 
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#9 ·
Pretty sure it wouldn’t be hard to get a rider on an existing boat policy to cover expensive gear... I’ll bet most couldn’t tell whether their existing policies cover gear and/or the extent of such coverage (not to mention the terms and conditions)...

Since I’m a commercial operator my coverages are a bit different than
What recreational types are offered...
 
#10 ·
they do exist, aren't generally too expensive. I have had them. Problem is the deductible is usually high and claims on your policy may not be friendly at renewal so a claim doesn't make sense unless it's significant. Or of course you can lower your deductible for higher premium and that doesn't make sense either.

Generally (in my understanding )they cover loss via theft or destruction via accident, such as sinking or car crash, etc. not because you (or in the case of a guide your client) breaks one or if it's stolen from your truck or during other travel.

I don't know anything about commercial Boating insurance. Does it offer coverage in a scenario such as a client breaking a rod or dropping it in the water?
 
#11 ·
Nope and my commercial coverage has one feature you wouldn’t like... To encourage all commercial customers to properly store and secure their vessels when a hurricane is coming.... if you get damage from a named storm your deductible automatically jumps up to $2500, more than five times what it is normally...
 
#12 ·
All my larger size boat insurance plans have required a storm plan. I don't recall if that included a higher deductible, but a plan was required for either removal from storm path or storage with certain parameters, such as high & dry with X wind rating.

I'm curious - have you had clients bust or drop rods and reels in the water? A few offshore guides I know have, and definitely weren't happy about the loss even though some get deals or are sponsored.
 
#13 ·
I don’t think your gonna sell anybody on this forum on it my friend. $20 month for 12 months plus $100 deductible would cover the cost of “most” broken rods. I get what you are saying but most times it just isn’t feasible. I like it to buying a $500 lawn mower from a buy here pay here place for people with bad credit and paying $2k for that $500 lawn mower. All this does it gives someone who is insecure some sense of comfort for something that may never happen. In my opinion insurance companies are at the top of the “fear mongers” here in America!
 
#14 ·
I am not trying to sell anyone on anything. I'm just trying to understand and see if there is a market for it. There may very well not be. It may also be that I'm just not doing a good job communicating it.

Here's how I look at this - I already pay nearly $20/mo for 2 cell phone coverage plans because the phones are $1k+ and forgo the coverage on other items - literally everthing else. So why would I not pay approximately the same and include other high $ items? That's what makes me think it's worth it. I also know plenty of people don't buy the phone insurance, so the market is limited. I also don't buy rental car insurance, but I have a story about that one time where it cost me $3k to fix the car...

Anyway, I appreciate the candid responses and discussion! :)