TidalFly, I need to keep them. It's really the only rod that I can throw worth a crap. There are more around, try ChiagoFly, they had one. I got mine at Orlando and paid $635ish. I would try the shops out west, they had a few too. FLKEys Outfitters carries them. But, they seem to always be the last to put on sale. I hope you find what you are looking for.