Subject: Important Info Affecting YOU!!!!

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by gheenoeguy, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. gheenoeguy

    gheenoeguy Well-Known Member

    Subject: Important Info Affecting YOU!!!!

    You have two families:  "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".  Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California.

    Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

    Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

    Ready?  Now pay attention...

    Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year.  Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

    Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year.  Jose Illegal pays no taxes.  Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year.  Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

    Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year.  Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year.  Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

    Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare.  Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year.  Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

    Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy.  Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year.  Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance.  Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

    Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

    Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

    Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

    Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

    Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school.  Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch.  Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program.  Joe Legal's children go home.

    Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

    It is your tax money that pays for everything the illegals get for free.  Do you get it, now?

    If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens, you are part of the problem!
  2. TomFL

    TomFL Well-Known Member

    Honestly this is what makes me laugh about the published unemployment figures, particularly in my area as we have a lot of day laborers. I did say A LOT of day laborers, didn't I? At just one location (Texaco on A1A just south of Indian Street), you can drive by EVERY morning and see hundreds of them sitting there, waiting to be picked up for a day's labor.

    Imagine if your job, every day, was to find illegal aliens, and every morning there are hundreds of them in one spot. Every morning! You'd think that just one immigration officer would show up and book a few, eh? Nope!

    Let's take that same train of thought for, say, FBI officers looking for bank robbers. If all the bank robbers went to Texaco every morning, don't you think there'd be a few FBI agents there making arrests?

    I dunno, sounds simple enough to me, but maybe I'm missing something.... :-?

    Anyways, back to the topic; and that's undocumented workers.

    I should mention this includes Joe legal and illegal, but still they're "off the books" and for the sake of this argument they are all rolled into the same category because they are both untaxed.

    If they state that the unemployment figures are 11.5% they're not even scratching the surface.

    The overwhelming majority of lawn care guys, also drywall guys, roofers, painters, concrete guys, etc etc in our area are off the books. And currently, as anyone would guess, lots of them are unemployed, for those in the building-related trade probably 80%.

    So if they are off the books, how do they factor in to the unemployment figures? They don't.

    I think a lot of the sports bars and stuff around in our area are particularly hit hard because they cater to the construction crowd and now those people are unemployed.


  3. DuckNut

    DuckNut Brandon, FL

    There is a very complex formula for calculating EMployed. To get the UNemployment rate you take the number of UNemployed divided by the census population labor force and muliply by 100.

    The UNemployment rate does not take into consideration day laborers, self employed, household employees, farmers, agriculture people, people who have ran out of unemployment benefits, people receiving unemployment insurance, or people permanently disabled (working or not).

    So, who is calculated into UNemployment - Corporate America and government employees. Sad, really sad.

    What's more, if a person that is UNemployed takes a part time job they are once again considered EMployed.

    All of this crap can be summed up by the term "Additivity". That is a term that is used when geographic areas do not match the State numbers - they just use another formula to make them match and that is what is reported and used for statistical calculations that we hear about on TV.

    I am very sorry, but the UNemployment rate is FAR higher than what the pundants are telling us.
  4. Kemo

    Kemo The world is flat....and shallow.

    TomFL, I think you are right.  And, so is Ducknut.  But unless we lived in a police state, how could this ever be controlled?  Or enforced?  We, as taxpayers, can't afford the police we have, which are not nearly enough to contain this problem of infiltration by illegals.  What if they were not Mexicans, but Canadians who all spoke French and, as a nation, we were considering having a dual-language society with English and French, instead of English and Spanish?  Would you feel any different?  Personally, I wouldn't, and I am of French heritage.  And I have several friends from Spain and Ecuador and Costa Rica and Cuba who absolutely abhor the illegals, who, in their opinions do not speak proper Spanish, do not have the kind of work ethic that they would have taught their children, and sponge off of another society without contributing anything.

    On the other hand, for many years my wife and I have worked for a distribution company that uses a lot of temporary labor.  For many years, this company avoided temporary labor because it was mostly comprised of poorer legal Americans, born and raised here, many of whom never had a parent with a job, and learned that welfare is a way of life.  Whether this is their fault or ours is a subject for another debate.  The point is, most of these people (well, there are always exceptions) really cared about doing a good job and earning a day's pay.  But, since the influx of Spanish-speaking peoples in our area, the company now employs a lot of temporary labor.  And this is mostly because they are intelligent, hard-working people, with a sense of values about life and about hard work and where their efforts will lead them.  They have not come from a welfare state, and it shows. 

    I don't have an answer, but I also don't condemn them for wanting to raise themselves out of poverty.  And our company checks every one of them, and if they don't have proper credentials and proof that they are allowed to be here and work here, they are GONE.  So, they are more like Joe Legal.  Their taxes get put into the pile with ours.  And a lot more of them would vote than most of us would, if they could become citizens.

    Well, there's my two cents.  But I know one thing:  welfare is for those who really and truly cannot help the situation that they are in.  And anyone who is willing to get up before dawn and hang out on a street corner in hopes of earning $5.00 an hour in order to eat, instead of looking for a handout, maybe ought to be given a chance of some kind.

    Kemo   [smiley=soapbox.gif]  :cool:
  5. DuckNut

    DuckNut Brandon, FL

    I do not care what language one speaks as long as they can put together some basic phrases in English.

    The single most pressing issue is politicians. There is not a politician in office that will point a finger and state publically "This has to end - it is wrong". Because as soon as they do their gravy train is over.

    I have a great friend who is a Dr. by education and one of the top heart specialists in the world that is now a Senator and having many discussions with him there is no way he wants to loose his part-part-time job and he will be the first to admit (in private) that something has to be done.

    Illegal immigrants will bankrupt the tree hugger state in the next several years. As they have already closed hospitals and schools because of the free riders. That State is truly in dire straits and with the budget constraints and the credit rating of that State the possibility of raising new money is just about gone.

    The politicians are not even talking about or trying to stop the immigration. All the talk is about how do we get them on the tax rolls. All of these low paying jobs are needed to help fund social security and the fact is that you need many low paid people to equal 1 high income earner in terms of funding, but will receive the same benefits. Sounds like a losing proposition.