Rookie question, need help please!!!

Discussion in 'Outboard Maintenance' started by JR_Hurst, Jul 26, 2013.

  1. JR_Hurst

    JR_Hurst I Love microskiff.com!

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    Alright, I have a 1992 Johnson 30 tiller on the back of my J16. Picked it up for a steal cause the motor quit discharging water when I we t to look at it. He told me it had sat up for about 2-3 years. So I replaced the water pump/impeller assembly, thermostat, & cleaned the carb the best I know how. It was running really good after tweaking the carb! Then after a few days I went to run it just for kicks & grins & now it will run good for about 5-10 minutes the sputter bad & shut off & won't start running again. It has done this 4 times now....I'm stumped, I'm sure it's something stupid & simple that I'm just overlooking.

    Thanks for your help! It's my first boat so I'm learning as I go...
     
  2. rkmurphy

    rkmurphy Well-Known Member

    Check the primer bulb when it shuts off. If it isn't hard, then it may be either the fuel pump, fuel filter leak (had this happen), or the fuel line and bulb itself.
     

  3. firecat1981

    firecat1981 BBA Counselor

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    It could be a fuel issue, but it might be overheating. How is the water pressure now? Maybe it has some clogged water passages inside the powerhead?
     
  4. rkmurphy

    rkmurphy Well-Known Member

    I just dealt with this issue myself and I doubt it's that. Not to mention my old Mercury overheated to the point of steam coming out of the tell tale on multiple occassions...it never shut off. I would think if it's overheating to the point of seizing, it would only happen once and he wouldn't have the opportunity to start it again. Just my opinion, though. I'm sure as hell no expert...just basing off of my VERY limiting experience. His symptoms sound more to me like fuel starvation.

    My Yamaha's fuel filter assembly had a leak a while back (ethanol :mad: ) and it was doing the same thing his is doing. I'd pump the bulb in the morning, start it up, ran perfectly for a few minutes, then it would shut off. Wouldn't start back up. Then I'd pump the bulb to give it fuel and repeat the process to get back to the ramp. When I got back, I noticed that when I pumped the bulb, fuel was coming out of the o-ring area of the fuel filter assembly. In a pinch, I ran to West Marine and replaced with a cheap in line. The cheapy is still in there and it's running great.
     
  5. cutrunner

    cutrunner Cert. Yamaha technician

    If the carb work is still good, I would check the fuel pump.
    Older johnson fuelpumps dont like to sit for a couple years then be forced to start flexing again.
     
  6. Brett

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    Agreed on the fuel pump diaphragm.
    the old neoprene diaphragms weren't intended for use with e-fuel.
    I had to replace a neighbors pump recently,
    '93 model 'Rude with a 3 year old pump, pulled it apart
    and the diaphragm was brittle, no longer flexible.
     
  7. JR_Hurst

    JR_Hurst I Love microskiff.com!

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    Awesome guys, I gotta find the fuel filter & pump for the motor. My uncle said on that motor the filter could be something simple as a mesh screen in from of the pump?....do y'all think that's true?

    I gotta find some schematics of the motor.
     
  8. ggoodman

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    is this a 2 cylinder model?
     
  9. JR_Hurst

    JR_Hurst I Love microskiff.com!

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    Yeah it's a 2 cylinder.
     
  10. cwalden

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    It could be a seizing issue. I am dealing with a similar problem now as well on a 40hp. My motor stripped a driveshaft and was replaced. When the foot was put back on, the waterpump tube did not line up. Motor was run for about 200yards and slowed, lost power and seized. 10 minutes later it would start. Took apart, and fixed water tube issue. Now motor starts fine, runs for 10 mins and looses 50-75% of power and then starts to sputter.

    After overheating, I found that ALL of the head bolts needed about a half turn to tighten. I'm hoping current issue is head gasket blown, but I'm not holding much hope. I think she's toast! Looking for newer motor.. :(
     
  11. JR_Hurst

    JR_Hurst I Love microskiff.com!

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    I don't know much honestly....I'm learning as I go. But I really don't think it's a seizing issue. The reason I feel this way is the day I changed out the water pump assembly, thermostat, & cleaned the carb it ran great. I had to play with the carb a little to get idle right but she circulated water very strongly & didn't have any issues that day at all. I really think its going to be the fuel pump. Going to hopefully try that this weekend coming up.
     
  12. ggoodman

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    Q and A time
    Since it is a 92 i'm betting there is no filter one other than perhaps a simple screen some where inside the carb.

    When you say run do you mean rev up and push boat or idle?

    As rkmurphy asked when it dies it the fuel bulb hard? That will tell you about either a vac leak in fuel system or a failing fuel pump. If the fuel bulb is hard this points to two paths to follow electrical or mechanical issue.

    If you let it cool completely does it restart and run for another few min?

    Know anyone with a compression tester? we can eliminate the scary motor stuff pretty quick this way. and it's nice to find out the baseline for your motor for future reference.

    When it dies pull the pugs and look for spark with plugs you know to be good.... helps to have a helper for this.

    Answer the above and I can get into some more electrical trouble shooting but you'll need a volt meter.

    Where are you some one might live nearby that can lend a hand/knowledge/ and or tools. The more info you can provide the better we can help.