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New Orleans Marsh December for first time flats guy? Or other spots?

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I have a work friend who is an avid trout and smallmouth guy who lives in Michigan. He has never done any sort of flats fishing. He is good with the 8wt as whe throws streamers for smallmouth.

We both have a week off in December and want to do a 3 day trip. I was thinking New Orleans marsh. I have not been there for like 10 years. I went once and it was great, I went another time and weather made it not so great.

I guess my question is, is it still a good fishery in December? Or has the fishing pressure / marsh degradation made it not as good? I know a guide who fishes out of Port Sulphur and he has dates open.

I want to try and give my friend a really good trip as he has had a tough year ( his house burned down).

Is it too risky with weather? I was also thinking everglades, or maybe a DIY bonefish thing?

Where would you take somebody for a first time experience?
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Hard to beat the marsh anytime. December can be iffy with weather, but it could be blowing for 3 straight days in the Glades, too.
I'd say go for it, especially if you have a guide available.
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Weather is going to be the wild card anywhere, but keep the Bahamas on your list for beautiful flats fishing (bonefish). It’s easy traveling to/from Grand Bahama. Guides there are no more expensive than the LA marsh. PM if you’d like a couple of recommendations in either LA marsh or Grand Bahama.
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November to February is my favorite time to fish the Marsh, planning a trip this far out is a crap shoot weather wise. Control what you can control, plan your trip on days the tide is moving and hope for the best on the weather. Hopedale, Venice, Cocodrie all fish great in December. Good luck and I hope the wind blows just enough to keep the gnats off and the bull reds eating.
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What's a good tide movement? Anything over 1'? I know La typically doesn't have larger tides.
What's a good tide movement? Anything over 1'? I know La typically doesn't have larger tides.
Yes
Sweet, We are planning our fall trip for this year. Our dates are showing 1.1-1.5' tides versus the .5 we had last year.
Only if you want every fish you cast to, to eat and to catch double digit reds no matter the wind.
What's a good tide movement? Anything over 1'? I know La typically doesn't have larger tides.
I like that time of year for fishing the negative tides.
Only if you want every fish you cast to, to eat and to catch double digit reds no matter the wind.
I know Louisiana redfish are typically more agreeable than pretty much anywhere, but comments like these are misleading.

When conditions are perfect, sure you can bonk 'em on the tail and they will do insane stuff like turn around and eat your fly. However, there are many times where a perfect cast still won't get an eat. Ten years ago, sure the fish were much more compliant, but those insane days are getting fewer and farther between.

@mightyrime if you come to Louisiana anytime between November and February, you will improve your odds by scheduling at least three days. I can't count the number of trips I've had with friends where one day we didn't even leave the camp, one day we were the only people launching a skiff, but the third or fourth day was magic. When you look back, you tend to remember that one or two days much better than the bad times.
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I know Louisiana redfish are typically more agreeable than pretty much anywhere, but comments like these are misleading.

When conditions are perfect, sure you can bonk 'em on the tail and they will do insane stuff like turn around and eat your fly. However, there are many times where a perfect cast still won't get an eat. Ten years ago, sure the fish were much more compliant, but those insane days are getting fewer and farther between.
I've never seen redfish do what they do there. It's unbelievable. I fish for them year round here. I'm just jealous. Believe me.
I've never seen redfish do what they do there. It's unbelievable. I fish for them year round here. I'm just jealous. Believe me.
But you are doing exactly what kjnengr was commenting about in the first place. Is LA awesome? Can be. And it can be downright terrible. Is it awesome more often than other places? Perhaps. Is it terrible less often than other places? Perhaps.

But we have loads of days that are pure lousy. Far too many people come to the marsh with huge expectations mostly because of chest thumping social media posts that paint a very unrealistic picture.

No our redfish do not jump in the boat....lol
Yes our fishing is very weather dependent.
Yes even with great weather there are days when the fish are not happy and you will struggle to make much happen.
Its fishing after all.
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But you are doing exactly what kjnengr was commenting about in the first place. Is LA awesome? Can be. And it can be downright terrible. Is it awesome more often than other places? Perhaps. Is it terrible less often than other places? Perhaps.

But we have loads of days that are pure lousy. Far too many people come to the marsh with huge expectations mostly because of chest thumping social media posts that paint a very unrealistic picture.

No our redfish do not jump in the boat....lol
Yes our fishing is very weather dependent.
Yes even with great weather there are days when the fish are not happy and you will struggle to make much happen.
Its fishing after all.
yes they do. I threw a fly at a redfish there and it turned around and hit it. Threw by HAND. My first time there I stripped out a normal pile of line required to even think about hitting a red here. Guide asked why I had that much line out and then cut my leader down to like 8’. Please come here and fish reds with me any time. On the best day possible. I’ll pole you to fish and you will getplenty of shots. I’m sure you have bad days. It is not the same ever. No social media. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Yes the viz is poor there. But reds are totally different there.
I've never seen redfish do what they do there. It's unbelievable. I fish for them year round here. I'm just jealous. Believe me.
When Louisiana is "on" the fishing can be downright stupid. I'm not disagreeing to that. And I say "stupid" because I've had a few of those days myself if you made an errant cast to the side or behind the fish, you were better off stripping what you had rather than recasting because the fish WAS going to turn around and eat it. My first ever time fly fishing in saltwater, I caught four fish. The third one was so close to the boat that the only thing I could do was throw the fly in front of the fish by hand - and guess what, it ate the fly.

Yes our dirty water, higher numbers of fish, and lesser pressure than places like Florida make for higher success rates than pretty much anywhere. Again, I won't deny that. However to say that EVERY fish will eat, be 10+ lbs, and weather conditions don't matter, is simply not true and misleading. How many times have you fished Louisiana? How long ago was it?
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When Louisiana is "on" the fishing can be downright stupid. I'm not disagreeing to that. And I say "stupid" because I've had a few of those days myself if you made an errant cast to the side or behind the fish, you were better off stripping what you had rather than recasting because the fish WAS going to turn around and eat it. My first ever time fly fishing in saltwater, I caught four fish. The third one was so close to the boat that the only thing I could do was throw the fly in front of the fish by hand - and guess what, it ate the fly.

Yes our dirty water, higher numbers of fish, and lesser pressure than places like Florida make for higher success rates than pretty much anywhere. Again, I won't deny that. However to say that EVERY fish will eat, be 10+ lbs, and weather conditions don't matter, is simply not true and misleading. How many times have you fished Louisiana? How long ago was it?
I've only fished there like 5X. Not all 5 were epic. All 5 were insane vs. here. Even the distances you are casting are different. I dont even thing you need a double haul. Also, giant flies and smacking the water was prefered to get attention. The fish were avg in size also. I never saw a 10 lbr's but I know they're there. Again, open invite. Reciprocate with a trip up there. If you haven't redfish here (on fly) you are in for a nice surprise. IMO our poon are way easier than our reds. Bonefish are easier than our reds. I know. Its crazy.
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I know Louisiana redfish are typically more agreeable than pretty much anywhere, but comments like these are misleading.

When conditions are perfect, sure you can bonk 'em on the tail and they will do insane stuff like turn around and eat your fly. However, there are many times where a perfect cast still won't get an eat. Ten years ago, sure the fish were much more compliant, but those insane days are getting fewer and farther between.

@mightyrime if you come to Louisiana anytime between November and February, you will improve your odds by scheduling at least three days. I can't count the number of trips I've had with friends where one day we didn't even leave the camp, one day we were the only people launching a skiff, but the third or fourth day was magic. When you look back, you tend to remember that one or two days much better than the bad times.
That is the perfect way to describe our 3 trips we've taken down there so far. Every trip has one really good day, one "meh" day, and one day where we spend more time spincast fishing for trout or something due to horrible conditions. This year we are doing a 4 day in hopes of getting 2 good days haha.
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Even the distances you are casting are different. I dont even thing you need a double haul.
I seriously believe, along with how tight I like to set my drag and fight fish, that is the reason why I've only ever had one fish get me into my backing.


IMO our poon are way easier than our reds. Bonefish are easier than our reds. I know. Its crazy.
I've heard that. That's a separate discussion for another thread, but I wonder why that is. Are more people targeting/pressuring the redfish more than the other species?
I seriously believe, along with how tight I like to set my drag and fight fish, that is the reason why I've only ever had one fish get me into my backing.




I've heard that. That's a separate discussion for another thread, but I wonder why that is. Are more people targeting/pressuring the redfish more than the other species?
Yes FL redfish get the crapped pounded out of them. So guess what a bunch of them do? They come to LA and pound on those redfish. The increase in pressure the last handful of years is nuts.
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and weather conditions don't matter, is simply not true and misleading.
he's obviously not experienced fatman weather....
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