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@Miragein did you read this?
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“How to Navigate and Fish Lake Ingram Everglades” with an image of a girl in a thong fighting a fish. Coming to a YouTubes soon
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Your an idiot.
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Good info @iMacattack
A link to a youtube video about the government's Cape Sable Canals Dam Restoration Project in 2010-11:
...and 11 years later, we finally have the funding and initiative to finish the job with the help of The Florida Audubon Society and Ducks Unlimited leading the project:
Cape Sable Canal Dam Restoration Finally Funded
fl.audubon.org
What?! That it’s the water flow and strong tidal flows causing the erosion? No sh!t? Yeah, probably no correlation between the two…
Sea-Level Rise In Everglades National Park - Everglades National Park (U.S. National Park Service)
climate change, sea level rise, sea-level rise
www.nps.gov
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None of that proves anything. I read the link. Sea levels are not rising.What?! That it’s the water flow and strong tidal flows causing the erosion? No sh!t? Yeah, probably no correlation between the two…
Sea-Level Rise In Everglades National Park - Everglades National Park (U.S. National Park Service)
climate change, sea level rise, sea-level rise
“The incursion of saltwater into formerly freshwater marsh systems as the result of sea level rise has also led to physical collapse of the marshes. This process has been accelerated on Cape Sable by saltwater moving through the canals past the marl ridge and through the smaller canals where the plugs have failed. Sediment, and probably nutrients, from the collapsed marsh also make their way to Florida Bay and the Gulf of Mexico. Replacing the failed plugs is expected to slow the rate of marsh collapse and the loss of sediment and nutrients from the interior marshes of Cape Sable (URS Corporation 2009).”
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You really have to look at any information provided by government sources as suspect. They have earned our distrust honestly, lol.
The marsh collapsing or sinking due to erosion, man-made depletion of and/or changes to the Biscayne Aquifer, massive movement of sediment, additional tidal saltwater intrusion and stronger currents from man-made canals, make more sense than the BS narrative about climate change or sea levels rising.
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There is zero evidence that sea levels are rising and definitely not 23 centimeters (9.055 inches) since 1930. This is propaganda driven by our wonderful elites that use trauma based mind control to brainwash the masses. They are still talking about Al Gore’s global warming in these research articles and the goalposts have been moved once again since then and now they call it climate change because the actual temperature was not rising as much as they claimed it would and they changed the name once again to fit the narrative.
The earth goes through slow changes or cycles of temperature and has long before industry came to be. There was no petroleum industry or burning of fuel to get the earth past the ice age. It’s because the cyclic and subtle variations in temperature are by design. All the rest of this bullshit you believe is as real as unicorn farts and fairy dust. Judging by your behavior during the covid plannedemic you are also easily fooled. I remember all the posts.
What is real is man diverting water flow by damming some areas, dredging canals in others and hurricane erosion. They just want you to believe that 9 inches of water is what is collapsing the marsh when in reality it’s exactly what I stated it was…man diverting the natural flow of fresh water to the sea and the overwhelming exponential population explosion of coastal areas especially the more sensitive peninsula we know as Florida.
Here is another bit of research on the history of the area. Pages 3-5 are littered with propaganda trying to persuade people to believe sea levels are rising at a rapid rate since 1930 and the man made canals, dams and natural hurticanes had nothing to do with the erosion issues…and 2400 to 2500 years ago (important time if you know the history of man) to now sea levels were already rising 3-5 centimeters per century without industry (if you believe man elevated the temperature of the earth enough to melt glaciers).
Page 3, 4 and 5
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Exactly
Dude, GTF out with that nonsense. You and Smack too bored in your Off Section echo chamber that ya gotta pull the conspiracy bs here now? Again, I’m not disagreeing that erosion is the issue. I’m just saying, along with the data, that the two go hand and hand…
I also did not get into why the sea levels are rising. God forbid we have that discussion on this forum. Just that we know, with scientific evidence, that they are. And no, sorry—some guy on the internet who lives in BFE Texas telling me his local ramp has been at the same water level ever since he started boating does not count as irrefutable evidence that the sea level is not rising…
Was there today. Fishing was not great there was a ton of finger mullet and Tarpon busting them in Middle cape canal they were all over us but no takers. Ran the lake thinking the tide was higher than it was when I got to the south end talk about butt puckering but my Evo made it fine but not going to lie I thought I was going to have issues. Never seen it that low and that’s after the tide was coming in for some time.
Like I said, running it at low tide can pucker you up, lol. I’d rather not, but worst case is you get stuck and wait for the tide to change. Really bad would be that it happens on the way in late in the day just before dark in the summer time. Not that they don’t come out in the winter, but would be unbearable without a bug suit.
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I ran Cape Sable yesterday morning. Lot of bait, tarpon, sharks but nothing liked what I had to offer. Went into Middle Cape around 11:00 and fished the lake for a while until 2:30. Got 5 small rat reds, nothing legal and 3 line sides that were also short. We got some whisker trout but that goes without saying.
Beautiful day in the park but yes fishing was slow.
I may have seen you out at the mouth on the west side of east cape on our way back to the ramp.
As the famous Capt LeMay says "Nothing Like The Glades"
Yeah day was gorgeous. I was really hopeful I’d hook up on a tarpon there was a 45min window where they were busting all around us there was tons of finger mullet. I was hanging out in that area most of the morning. Ran the lake around noon stopped at one spot in East Cape canal and gave up. Kids were bored with little to no action and they are used to the Bimini on Grandpas boat it was HOT yesterday. Still glad I went it’s always nice to get out I saw one of the biggest sharks I’ve ever seen yesterday was very “Jaws” like. Was slightly disturbing lol. Sounds like you had a better day than us!
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Any time someone mentions global warming, climate change, sea levels rising... or whatever the current catch phrase is.. I tend to get a bit cranky... Nothing in the above mentions what they'd just as soon no one considers... Climate has never been stable at all - the changes, though, come so slowly that most will be willing to believe - this new religion.... In fact the old saw... "Everyone complains about the weather... but no one ever does anything about it..." is no longer true. In fact there's a whole industry backed by research (the research that was paid for - and as a result might not exactly be particularly reliable... ) that's finally doing something about the weather - and will be getting all of us to pay for it... While places like China (and others) must be laughing at us... and doing their best to surpass us as we wallow in these new policies... Note that none of the current "science" about climate change even mentions the sun, our very own star that this planet orbits around - and the actual candle that warms or cools this planet - and the sun itself fluctuates in the amount of radiation it sends our way. Like planets everywhere in this or any other solar system (or galaxy if you prefer a broader view...) we're completely at the mercy of our very own star...
In fact, the climate is always warming or cooling over time and water levels will rise or fall over time. Down here in paradise, south Florida, it's helpful to remember that 10,000 years ago - where Orlando is today... was in fact oceanfront property - and our Everglades only assumed its current form about 5,000 years ago. Before that south Florida was completely under water... The best primer on the Everglades itself and man's attempts to change, curtail, drain, the 'glades.. is the book, THE SWAMP by Michael Grunwald... I highly recommend it since it goes into detail about all of the attempts to "tame nature" and turn the Everglades into "productive land"... Thank heavens most of those attempts failed completely -but they left behind a bunch of problems that we're still dealing with today....
In the area of Cape Sable all of the canals into the interior (House, Slagle ditches, and others...) were cut into the 'glades in an attempt to permit drainage with the hope that eventually they could actually drain the swamp... In the fifty years I've been involved with the 'glades most of the action by Everglades National Park have been efforts to reverse the process started before World War Two when it was still our state's policy - to "DRAIN THE EVERGLADES.. Thank heavens the 'glades defeated most of their efforts..Since then most of Everglades National Park's efforts have been to mitigate those destructive policies and prevent saltwater intrusion up into areas that should be nurseries with a mix of fresh and saltwaters needed to nourish all the plants, fish, and animals in the interior. In some places they've succeeded in others they failed but not for lack of trying ... The plug in Buttonwood canal was a great success (most call it the dam...) and was installed in the early part of the eighties after many complained that too much saltwater was getting up into the interior when the canal was open and free flowing. I'm proud to say that the fishing club I belonged to (the Tropical Anglers Club) at the time, was part of that effort - along with many other clubs and conservation groups... After the plug was installed a second boat ramp was needed at Flamingo to allow access down into Florida Bay. That's why Flamingo has had two ramps since the early eighties...
Back to Lake Ingram which sparked this current discussion... In fact "rising sea levels" have nothing to do with the inevitable result of our cutting into what was a freshwater lake (Ingram) - all those years ago with the creation of East Cape canal and the opening at Middle Cape to allow access into Ingram and along the way turn it into a tidal area... The normal tidal flow alone has greatly changed that area - long before I was ever there - fifty years ago now... Hurricane Wilma back in 2005 greatly accelerated that process. That's why I pointed out that unless we intervene Ingram will continue to change and as Middle Cape opens up, that process will accelerate.... Wish it weren't so - and I haven't heard of any plans to do anything about it at all... Just one more legacy of the mistakes made long, long ago...
In fact, the climate is always warming or cooling over time and water levels will rise or fall over time. Down here in paradise, south Florida, it's helpful to remember that 10,000 years ago - where Orlando is today... was in fact oceanfront property - and our Everglades only assumed its current form about 5,000 years ago. Before that south Florida was completely under water... The best primer on the Everglades itself and man's attempts to change, curtail, drain, the 'glades.. is the book, THE SWAMP by Michael Grunwald... I highly recommend it since it goes into detail about all of the attempts to "tame nature" and turn the Everglades into "productive land"... Thank heavens most of those attempts failed completely -but they left behind a bunch of problems that we're still dealing with today....
In the area of Cape Sable all of the canals into the interior (House, Slagle ditches, and others...) were cut into the 'glades in an attempt to permit drainage with the hope that eventually they could actually drain the swamp... In the fifty years I've been involved with the 'glades most of the action by Everglades National Park have been efforts to reverse the process started before World War Two when it was still our state's policy - to "DRAIN THE EVERGLADES.. Thank heavens the 'glades defeated most of their efforts..Since then most of Everglades National Park's efforts have been to mitigate those destructive policies and prevent saltwater intrusion up into areas that should be nurseries with a mix of fresh and saltwaters needed to nourish all the plants, fish, and animals in the interior. In some places they've succeeded in others they failed but not for lack of trying ... The plug in Buttonwood canal was a great success (most call it the dam...) and was installed in the early part of the eighties after many complained that too much saltwater was getting up into the interior when the canal was open and free flowing. I'm proud to say that the fishing club I belonged to (the Tropical Anglers Club) at the time, was part of that effort - along with many other clubs and conservation groups... After the plug was installed a second boat ramp was needed at Flamingo to allow access down into Florida Bay. That's why Flamingo has had two ramps since the early eighties...
Back to Lake Ingram which sparked this current discussion... In fact "rising sea levels" have nothing to do with the inevitable result of our cutting into what was a freshwater lake (Ingram) - all those years ago with the creation of East Cape canal and the opening at Middle Cape to allow access into Ingram and along the way turn it into a tidal area... The normal tidal flow alone has greatly changed that area - long before I was ever there - fifty years ago now... Hurricane Wilma back in 2005 greatly accelerated that process. That's why I pointed out that unless we intervene Ingram will continue to change and as Middle Cape opens up, that process will accelerate.... Wish it weren't so - and I haven't heard of any plans to do anything about it at all... Just one more legacy of the mistakes made long, long ago...
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That was the best and most honest explanation I've heard on the subject, Capt. LeMay. Thank you sir.
That was the best and most honest explanation I've heard on the subject, Capt. LeMay. Thank you sir.
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