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My name is Flip Pallot and I write in response to having read your Miami Herald piece on python invasion...I was born and raised, as were my parents, in South Dade County. I grew up in the Everglades alongside many of its' pioneers, or Gladesmen. I knew the Glades intimately from Cape Sable to Alligator Alley...from west of Miami to the Gulf of Mexico...I ran airboats, polled canoes, Glade Skiffs, walked and waded the best part of my life through what was the most precious eco-system on the planet. The number of ducks, wading birds, deer, otters, hogs, bear, lions and other fur bearers was astounding and virtually remembered today by very few! The road from Florida City down through the Everglades National Park to the village of Flamingo, at the bottom of the State, was literally infested with deer, swamp rabbits, snakes, frogs, crawfish, gators, hawks, nesting turtles and crows...while the prairies on either side of the road were covered in vegetation which no longer exists. As far as the eye could see there were thousands of wading birds of every species...now all gone, their rookeries abandoned. Ride down that road for the next 100 mornings and you will not see a single deer or swamp rabbit and birds only where a very few puddles of water exist.

It's mostly gone now, never to be restored, which has nothing at all to do with wild hog invasions, python invasions or the "Skunk Ape". Someone should have the "Stones" to look the problem in the eye and call it what it is rather than blame the python and hog for the death of the Everglades! It's like saying
"My eyesight is getting really bad because of my hemorrhoids".

What the loss of every single thing in the Everglades has in common is WATER!....The lack of it when and where needed and the quality of it when it is present, is the only issue. The fact that so much of the Everglades is closed and/or inaccessible to the people who care about it and would blow the whistle on real problems does not help. Focus your attention for a moment on the dollar value of chemicals that the State and municipalities buy each year to kill unwanted aquatic vegetation. EVERY SINGLE DAY, AROUND THE ENTIRE STATE, IN EVERY ROADSIDE DRAINAGE DITCH, EVERY LAKE, EVERY RIVER AND STREAM...VIRTUALLY EVERY BODY OF WATER IN THE ENTIRE STATE is being sprayed with herbicides...basically a generic "Round Up" manufactured by Monsanto. There is little or no science, other than that supplied by the manufacturer, dealing with its effects upon amphibians, larval stages of fish or crustaceans or the life of the chemical in marl, mud or the decomposed plant matter that it creates. All this to eliminate hydrilla, hyacinth, water lettuce and other aquatics deemed noxious by governments. This chemical and others, surely find their way into the aquifer which underlies the State. It also finds its way into rivers, braids and sheet flow that ultimately make their way into the Everglades and other estuaries which are suffering from algae blooms and sea grass die offs and even the death of offshore coral reefs. Follow the dollars back to the providers of these chemicals and you will understand the real nature of the problem. Add to all that, the damage done by agri-interests north of the Everglades, run-off from golf courses, private homes, public streets, effluent releases untreated for anti-biotics and steroids, the flushing of millions of toilets, the selfish manipulation of water levels in the Everglades.......and then, in prospective,......figure how much damage the python has really caused. Hell, we should be nice to the python...he may be the last creature standing in the Everglades as that national treasure slips away!

My God....We're doing this to ourselves!!!!!!!

- Flip Pallot
 

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So what does it take to finally reverse the REAL problems behind the systemic destruction of one of the most precious ecosystems on earth?

True: follow the money, but what then? Is it already too late?
 

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My name is Flip Pallot and I write in response to having read your Miami Herald piece on python invasion...I was born and raised, as were my parents, in South Dade County. I grew up in the Everglades alongside many of its' pioneers, or Gladesmen. I knew the Glades intimately from Cape Sable to Alligator Alley...from west of Miami to the Gulf of Mexico...I ran airboats, polled canoes, Glade Skiffs, walked and waded the best part of my life through what was the most precious eco-system on the planet. The number of ducks, wading birds, deer, otters, hogs, bear, lions and other fur bearers was astounding and virtually remembered today by very few! The road from Florida City down through the Everglades National Park to the village of Flamingo, at the bottom of the State, was literally infested with deer, swamp rabbits, snakes, frogs, crawfish, gators, hawks, nesting turtles and crows...while the prairies on either side of the road were covered in vegetation which no longer exists. As far as the eye could see there were thousands of wading birds of every species...now all gone, their rookeries abandoned. Ride down that road for the next 100 mornings and you will not see a single deer or swamp rabbit and birds only where a very few puddles of water exist.

It's mostly gone now, never to be restored, which has nothing at all to do with wild hog invasions, python invasions or the "Skunk Ape". Someone should have the "Stones" to look the problem in the eye and call it what it is rather than blame the python and hog for the death of the Everglades! It's like saying
"My eyesight is getting really bad because of my hemorrhoids".

What the loss of every single thing in the Everglades has in common is WATER!....The lack of it when and where needed and the quality of it when it is present, is the only issue. The fact that so much of the Everglades is closed and/or inaccessible to the people who care about it and would blow the whistle on real problems does not help. Focus your attention for a moment on the dollar value of chemicals that the State and municipalities buy each year to kill unwanted aquatic vegetation. EVERY SINGLE DAY, AROUND THE ENTIRE STATE, IN EVERY ROADSIDE DRAINAGE DITCH, EVERY LAKE, EVERY RIVER AND STREAM...VIRTUALLY EVERY BODY OF WATER IN THE ENTIRE STATE is being sprayed with herbicides...basically a generic "Round Up" manufactured by Monsanto. There is little or no science, other than that supplied by the manufacturer, dealing with its effects upon amphibians, larval stages of fish or crustaceans or the life of the chemical in marl, mud or the decomposed plant matter that it creates. All this to eliminate hydrilla, hyacinth, water lettuce and other aquatics deemed noxious by governments. This chemical and others, surely find their way into the aquifer which underlies the State. It also finds its way into rivers, braids and sheet flow that ultimately make their way into the Everglades and other estuaries which are suffering from algae blooms and sea grass die offs and even the death of offshore coral reefs. Follow the dollars back to the providers of these chemicals and you will understand the real nature of the problem. Add to all that, the damage done by agri-interests north of the Everglades, run-off from golf courses, private homes, public streets, effluent releases untreated for anti-biotics and steroids, the flushing of millions of toilets, the selfish manipulation of water levels in the Everglades.......and then, in prospective,......figure how much damage the python has really caused. Hell, we should be nice to the python...he may be the last creature standing in the Everglades as that national treasure slips away!

My God....We're doing this to ourselves!!!!!!!

- Flip Pallot
Thank you Sir.
 

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I agree with what he says. We are to blame, unrestrained development, agribusiness etc. I’m just not sure things will change, I just don’t believe the general public (or Us for that matter) cares that much.

How many of us are willing to support the sacrifices necessary to make a change. Plastic bans, mileage and size restrictions on vehicles, closing areas to development and forcing density requirements, water consumption restrictions. I don’t even think we can get a plastic bag ban in this state. Much less curbing development....... I know it would be a tough pill for me to swallow.
 

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Completely agree the creatures are not an issue. We could hunt those invasive species to extinction if we choose. Problem is man and what he alters. I don’t have a fix other than ship everyone that moved here after 1980 out. But that isn’t going to happen.
 

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So sad. From what I understand basically the whole state south of a line from Daytona to Tampa is basically screwed. Until folks start living more sustainably nothing will change. Those of us that actually care unfortunately probably aren’t enough to make a difference. The damage is done. I hope I’m wrong.
 

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People think that stacking houses and condos on every bit of coastal shoreline is a good idea and dumping sewage, chemicals and trash into the waterways and on top of that meat hauling every trip like they live off eating fish isn’t hurting anything because it’s legal...GTFO
It’s a people problem like 99% of everything else. Man could be eradicated and in a hundred years it would be like we never existed. Mother nature can take care of herself but not with greedy humans thinking they were ever part of the equation.
I have people tell me that they meat haul because red tide and dolphins eat more fish than anything...but they forget that recreational fishing by every flatbilled Chadbro within 500 miles of the coast was never supposed to happen. 90mph 25’ bay boats running around with Mercury 450’s hanging off them...seems normal right? Inshore fishing has become a fad. Hopefully they’ll move on to golf again. Fertilize those fairways and greens!
 

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I'm willing to sacrifice a lot - if I thought it would restore FL to what it once was. But how we see FL is quite different from how the rest of the population here sees it - and plans to capitalize on it. They just see potential development, money, and tax revenues. When people actually agree to be responsible - socially, economically, and environmentally - to the extent that they sign it into the law of the land, that raises concerns with regard to liberty, freedom, individual rights... it's a messy world we live in. I think it's supposed to be this way. But it does suck.
 

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Yep, you guys are screwed. You're sitting at 22 million right now. Projected to grow to 26 million in the next 10 years.

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Don't feel bad, we screwed in Texas as well. The difference here is we have huge populations in place like the Dallas/Ft Worth Area that are 5-6 hours from the salt.

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How about forming a coalition of JBC back hoe owners and just start opening the dikes. Get arrested and just plead temporary insanity. Get off on community service and dig another trench. There has to be a few lawyers could use the attention that would offer pro bono assistance. Just imagine 100 JBC’s opening the dikes randomly through out the area.
Well... just a thought.
 

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Lets top this all off with the three(3) new toll roads rammed thru by our sitting senate president Galvano. Rumor has it there is one guy/corp. that owns over 5 million acres in the areas these roads will go thru.The only reason, the roads will provide access for more development. When will these greedy bastards realize we do not have the water to maintain this kind of growth. The areas this would affect are all small rural communities with no need for super highways. Oh yeah-this was heartily endorsed and the bill was signed by super environmentalist DESANTIS
 

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How about forming a coalition of JBC back hoe owners and just start opening the dikes. Get arrested and just plead temporary insanity. Get off on community service and dig another trench. There has to be a few lawyers could use the attention that would offer pro bono assistance. Just imagine 100 JBC’s opening the dikes randomly through out the area.
Well... just a thought.
Dykes are definitely a problem these days...o_O
 
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