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Josh from East Cape called, I’m up. Feel free to make suggestions/recommendations, I’d appreciate it.
Evo x build
Color
Hull/Console, sky blue
Deck/cap, Matterhorn
**Hull HMP Jack plate which is mounted as high as possible.

MOTOR
**DF60AV Suzuki mounted as high as possible to the JP
Raycor water/fuel separator
******Note
I need the boat to run in the back with Negative winter tides in SW Florida
I’m putting a Cav Plate and 3x cupped Jack Foreman prop as per recommended. I need the boat to jump up with minimal if any transom squat.

*Priorities , shallow draft when solo polling and hole shot. Not concerned about top end.

CENTER CONSOLE upgrade flush mount 9” NSS EVO lll
*Hook puller, 1 cup holder, two USB receptacle
*2 grab rail, one on each side of console
*Switches in console top compartment W/BATTERY SWITCH and ignition key
*FUSES UNDER CONSOLE WITH CRANKING BATTERY
*Three rod holders on starboard side of console.
*Wired for TM. 24v lithium forward hatch.
BOAT
*Piano hinge all hatches w/gas shocks
*Remove all buckets except under seat
*Black ops
*Cushions, bolt on, white xtra thick pleated, black piping
*Back rest bolt on
*”V” Marine Push pole holders and caddy
*Forward offset to port folding cleat.
*Bait well insulated
*Micro power pole
*Poling Platform, Modern version with cup holder/10mm Seadek and led light, side steps topped w/Seadek added forward step
*Casting platform 12” legs w/dual anchors 10mm Seadek


*TRAILER
Aluminum upgrade

*Electronics
9” NSS EVO lll w/ thru hull transducer
Nema pkg
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I can only assume that the guys recommending no jack plate have exactly zero idea where Vinnie will be fishing, and how. There are no boats without JP's that can get in there in the winter, much less maneuver once they do. I agree on no compression plate. A good three blade with a cup will work for him, or a good four blade.

I still don't get the fascination with the F70. I have run the X a lot of times with the 70 and the DF60 and there is hardly a difference, but the cost is about $3500, with a lesser warranty. The days of Yamaha superiority have passed, in my opinion. Good on them if they can keep charging that but I'd bet it won't last much longer. I can think of better ways to spend the $3500, but that is just me.

I also agree with the recommendation for a machine with at least one button.

Line X does a great keel guard.

I haven't used the Hull Marine jack plate but I have an 11 year old Atlas Micro with a lot of hours that is just starting to get sloppy so I am about to do the $150 HMP hardware upgrade kit to my Micro.

**EDIT- my avatar photo was taken on a negative low in December where Vinnie wants to fish. I know the area well.
 

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I haven’t installed the HMP plate yet but the fit and finish is excellent and seem rock solid stout. Can’t wait to get it on the boat.

I do know a guy who is running and HMP plate, has been for a bit and he is hard on his equipment. Still perfect operating condition.
I have been checking them out. They just shipped their first batch about 4 months ago. We can't start specifying new products from new companies until they have been around a while. They do seem great though! Time will tell.
 

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I just looked. They only have one black one in stock.

I cannot tell you that Adam will install it. You will need to call the shop to ask him yourself if you are serious about it.
 

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What’s the purpose of the pop up cleat? I would consider another option personally. They do and will leak at some point. I have seen this way too many times. Some come with a bottom cup and drain tube. But where are you going to drain it in a skiff? Could be a issue down the road especially if installed over floatation foam. You also have to cut a fairly large hole into your deck/core to install it. A folding cleat or smaller hardware would be better long term IMHO if for a casting platform. Plus they are total rattle traps after some time.
I personally prefer the folder on the rail. However, most of our customers have had good success with these pop ups.

if it were to leak, it is only into the front hatch compartment which drains to the bilge. All of our foam is completely glassed in so no worries there. I agree on the rattling though. Once those silicone bumpers go in a few years, they rattle.
 

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Why can’t we? The guy I know that’s has it on his boat guides and is tremendously hard on his boats and fishes super skinny waters. Tyler is a solid dude, very high QC and I personally trust the product. Trust it way more than the atlas. I will report back after I have had it on my boat a while.

One thing we know for sure is that mocrojackers are a tire fire.
YOU can. WE (EastCape) cannot.
I have spoken to Tyler as well and we will watch his product closely.

One anecdote about a guy someone else knows is not enough for us to make a product claim to our customers.

Atlas has had some well documented issues with the Micro but for every bad one out there we have sold 100 with no issues. As I said, mine is 11 years old and is just now getting loose in operation. That’s reasonable.

Tyler’s product seems great. Time will tell.
 
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Atlas Micros are turds. I’ve had over 50 skiffs in my shop since I started my pickup installs and every single one was sloppy, broke off the transom, burned up actuators, even the latest one was brand new and sounded like a dying cat even after lubrication. I wouldn’t even install an Atlas Micro on Finnegan’s skiff if he had one…but East Cape and others will still install them knowing they have a historically terrible reliability record? They are just a bad design and many out there with machining tolerances up to 1/4” off! My last client had his break off the transom on the highway and grind off half his prop and part of his compression plate. Not the first and won’t be the last. Y’all have seen the photo, I had the actual East Cape Lostmen in my shop just last week. (Hell no I didn’t mount that compression plate I just trimmed it to even it out after being ground off on the blacktop…haha)
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First, I only speak for East Cape on the sales side, and only recently at that. I don’t make these decisions.

But I do know this: We have looked high and low for a replacement to the Atlas Micro. There are exactly zero out there that are commercially available, and can guarantee stock, much less have any history. I spent an entire day at iCast this year on jack plates. The skiff market is simply too small for most manufacturers to tool up a new product for.

Tyler has one of these. One. The HMP Jack Plate is not currently a solution. It’s unreasonable to suggest that we are doing a disservice to our customers when there are no viable alternatives.

Edit: The Bob’s Micro has a max rating of 40hp for 4 strokes. (50hp for 2 strokes)

The ONLY other option is the 4” Bob’s Versa that is rated up to 300hp and weighs 42# as a gear driven unit and 53# as hydraulic.

So, given the options, you can -

run a Bob’s Micro and 40hp on your skiff

install a heavy, overbuilt product on a skiff most people are trying to save 15# on at every step of the build (and have been notoriously difficult to get)

no jack plate

Maybe buy one from HMP. Maybe. And maybe the company makes it long enough to warranty. (I hope he does)

Or take a chance on Atlas. Most of them don’t break.

No great options.

If anyone is looking to make a profitable investment, you might hit Tyler up and help him grow the business.
 

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The Atlas 4” rated for 300hp is little over 46lbs. Bought one and weighed it personally, didn’t install, too heavy. Hydraulic is 70 including pump, also had one and also weighed it. Splitting hairs but that is the real numbers.

Of the Atlas micro plates I have seen, at least half were dog $&@$. Worrying about the motor falling off down the highway isn’t on my risk list.

I will take my chances on a young engineer with a new business.

I was making a suggestion to Vinny, that’s it. Had a long conversation with him about Chittums. Seems like a good dude. Hate for him to put that garbage on his boat. He can do what he likes.
If you think I am arguing with you, let me be clear that I am not.

I think it is completely reasonable for someone to take a knowledgeable chance on HMP. AND, you are correct. Vinnie is a great guy. I have spent a lot of time working with him on his build list. I was also clear with him that Atlas Micros have a dodgey history.

My point is that HMP is not currently a solution to the problem. It MIGHT be a solution for Vinnie, but we build a lot of boats. HMP has one jack plate to sell.

Hopefully you hear what I am getting at.
 
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They definitely spook off of shadows. I always consider the sun in my approach and often have to get low and side arm cast to fish that aren’t where I want them to be. It’s still better to be up where you can see them early and make adjustments.
 

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I always have mine on the bow for fly fishing. I also have two deck studs for mounting the platform on the front hatch or right up on the bow. It's usually on the front hatch which leaves plenty of room up front for a line mat. When we are fishing super skinny, I'll put the platform up on the bow. It will help reduce the poling draft some. I'd also suggest having the legs shorter than the typical platform. I like about 12" to top of the platform. It makes stepping up and down much easier and much more stealthy by reducing the effort to step up or down versus the typical 15-16" step up/down.
I recommended this to Vinnie. For us, the hatch mount is for tarpon in bigger water and the forward mount is for sight fishing in skinny, protected waters.

Om my Caimen I’m relegated to one mount point. Too pointy to slide forward.
 
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My wife and I met with Adam for the final 🤔build sheet. An absolute gentleman is Adam as well, everyone I’ve met at ECB. They have an outstanding staff and Kevin is the epitome of a leader. They truly do make one feel comfortable and welcomed with their opinions.
Great job Josh in getting me to where I am. Jay, your help was invaluable!!
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I’ll post pictures as I get them from Adam.
My pleasure sir 🫡
 
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